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Post  MackandMattiesMom on 9/20/2011, 1:02 pm

As most of you know, I now have a hospice foster, Biscuit. She has CHF and some kidney failure, along with some back issues that she gets accupuncture for. I'm most concerned about the CHF, of course. The accupuncture is doing wonders for her back and mobility. She sees a different vet for her accupuncture than she does for her CHF so I'm not yet sure how severe her CHF and kidney problems are. I plan on talking to her previous foster mom tomorrow about it when I go to pick up some more medicines. I know some here have dealt with this before so I'd love to know your experience, life expectancy, what to watch for, etc. She's the sweetest little thing and it breaks my heart to think that I may not have much time with her. She is 6 years old. It seems to be managed well at this point with her meds. She doesn't do a lot of coughing, etc and seems to breathe pretty good. I don't let her get overworked or too warm. I know what to watch out for with my own CHF issues so I assume it's pretty much the same. Thanks for any advice you can share.
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Post  Aussie Witch on 9/20/2011, 3:45 pm

I know Joanne's beloved Lulu lived with this for many years before passing at 17+. I think though, developing this so young, might be worse. How sad. She's lucky to be with you. Poor little mite. Send Joanne a PM if she doesn't see your post.
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Post  northernwitch on 9/20/2011, 4:18 pm

I've not dealt with this as yet, Sabra. I think maybe Hilary's Betsy had some CHF, but can't swear to that.

Wish I had some personal experience and advice for you.
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Post  MackandMattiesMom on 9/20/2011, 5:18 pm

I just asked the former foster mom about her prognosis and how bad her CHF is. She said the vet isn't yet sure because Biscuit was in such bad condition when she came to us. It was actually suggested that she be put to sleep. Thankfully, rescue didn't go with that decision and started the accupuncture and meds instead. I guess Biscuit could barely walk or stand because her back was so bad. She's doing so much better now so we're just going to monitor it and hope for the best. I guess that's a good thing. I'll need to take her in to her primary vet in a couple weeks once she's done with some antibiotics she's on for a recheck so I'll talk to her about it then.

She really doesn't show much signs to me of the CHF except that she tires easily and likes to nap. That could also be contributed to being a 6-year-old pug too since pugs do like their sleep.
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Post  TxAllieGrl on 9/20/2011, 9:08 pm

Sabra - do you still talk to Sharon? she was my resource when I was dealing with Angel's CHF.

My current vet said they need to diagnose it via X-ray, and then typical treatment is lasix (furosimide) to begin with. The main thing is to keep extra fluid off the heart and help it work more easily. If the lasix isn't working well enough, another med may be added - it's more expensive, and we never got to that point with Angel, but Sharon probably remembers.

My basic understanding is that it is very similar to CHF in humans.


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Post  Miss Pugg on 9/20/2011, 10:04 pm

Yes, Lulu had CHF for many years and led a long life with it. She was on Lasix and one other drug for it. My rescue Buffy now has it too and has had it for about 5 or 6 years. I'm not near her meds but she takes a couple daily. Both Lulu and Buffy really did well on the meds other than very occasional coughing. Lulu went to the Bridge with something else and Buffy is still with me. I wish you luck with Biscuit!
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Post  MackandMattiesMom on 9/21/2011, 2:45 am

Thanks for the info. I am still in touch with Sharon. Biscuit is on Lasix, 12.5 mg twice a day. She seems to be doing really good, no coughing, etc. Thanks for the hope that this isn't something that means she will be gone sooner rather than later if managed properly. I've only had her since Sunday and I'm quite smitten with the little spoiled girl.
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Post  monkeypigs4eva on 9/21/2011, 6:19 pm

MackandMattiesMom wrote:Thanks for the info. I am still in touch with Sharon. Biscuit is on Lasix, 12.5 mg twice a day. She seems to be doing really good, no coughing, etc. Thanks for the hope that this isn't something that means she will be gone sooner rather than later if managed properly. I've only had her since Sunday and I'm quite smitten with the little spoiled girl.

Well of course you're smitten! She's precious. No advice, just support!
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Post  leslyeb on 9/28/2011, 9:09 pm

I would see if there is a specialist that she could see. When Taz got sick, one doctor that I took her to diagnosed him with CHF. He was started on meds which only made him worse. A few days later, I rushed him 3 hours away to UT Knoxville to the vet clinic. The specialist checked him and his heart was fantastic. The doctors told me that many times pugs and other dogs whos chests are similar are misdiagnosed with heart disease. (just hoping there might be a wrong diagnoses for this precious girl)
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Post  pugmom on 10/28/2011, 9:48 pm

I can understand about two different opinions on CHF. The vets at the clinic where I take my Ty each have a different opinion!
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Post  pugmom10424 on 11/10/2011, 8:39 pm

I too am new to this disease. Our Tabi, who is 10 yrs was diagnosed about two months ago when she continually coughed up a white foamy spit and refused food. (We all know that a pug that refuses food, is really SICK!). Our vet knew pretty much what the problem was but I had her x-rayed anyway. She had fluid in the lungs and around the heart so he precribed Lasic (furosemide) 2x/day (look out for constant potty visits and have plenty of water on hand), and two drugs that enable the heart to pump stronger, enalapril (once daily for life) and vetmedin (pimobendan), 2x/day for life (this is the expensive drug the other two are realitively cheap). After 2 wks he took more x-rays and saw some improvement so he reduced the lasic to once a day. One month later, no x-rays, but he broke up the lasic meds to one tablet (split) 2x/day. I never had the ultrasound done because it didn't much matter to me why she had CHF, but that she needed to get better. Her prognosis is fairly good, she could live with this for approx. 5 yrs. I have Googled info on treating this with supplements and I was surprised to find out that some people have found that L-Carnitine and Taunine have been proven to alleviate the symtoms altogether. These are supplements used in fitness support. L-Carnitine transports fatty acids (1 gm per 10 lbs) and Taurine supports the nervous system (500mg daily). The advice is to split the dosage am/pm. I just received these to try, I do not know how they will work, but there is manufacturer that sells the combination specific to dogs. I'm sorry I don't have the name. All-in-all Tabi is responding well and with the cut back of Lasic, we don't have to get up in the middle of the night to potty. She still has the odd cough, but we don't over due it and I wouldn't say she sleeps anymore or less.

I hope this is helpful to you and your little one. I have had experience with kidney failure too and I would keep an eye on that, it may become problematic before the CHF does. Good Luck to you and Biscuit!

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