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Post  DorrieDoodle on 10/10/2012, 1:38 pm

Hey All,

I am happy to join this community. I know there is no more devoted dog-haver than a pug-parent. I am the proud, adoring owner (?) of a 3 1/2 year old fawn pug named Dorrie. She is, and always has been, just an angel. She is smart and kind and calm, and can play when wound up -- she can run circles around the other dogs at the dog park -- but is mostly a calm dog.
Sunday night I was at my good friends' home, George and Carryn. They know Dorrie very well. Dorrie usually loves sitting on George's lap and playing with him and snuggling with Carryn. We got there, and she would have nothing to do with them. She was scratching at my leg -- much more frantically than normal (she sometimes does this when she needs to go out) -- so I took her on a walk. She went potty, but was hyper and not herself. I took her back inside, and she did it again, but this time biting my hand and barking. She sometimes does this playfully, and if I saw Ouch! she always stops. This time, no go. So I took her out again. And she was CRAZY. She is usually great on a leash but this time she was running in circles, tail uncurled, and then jumped like something had scared her. It was so weird. Very hyper. I brought her back in and she was out of control. Biting my hand until it bled, scratching at my leg. I got up high where she couldn't get me, and she just sat and barked at me frantically. This dog NEVER barks. And she was just looking at me like help mom! Something is wrong! But I didn't know what. The whole thing was about 25 minutes, and then she went to sleep on the ground (which she never does. she's a couch dog). I then started saying her name Dorrie! Dorrie! And she would open her eyes, squinty, but then go back to sleep.
I had no idea what to do, and took her to the emergency room. I told the ER vet who looked at me like I was crazy (you took your dog to the ER because she was acting weird?) but I insisted she do a blood test and a urine sample. Dorrie has had bladder infections in the past, and she has done something like this -- NEVER this extreme. She also did something like this when she hurt her back somehow a year ago. Again, I took her to my normal vet and said she acted weird and the vet thought she had hurt her back. Again, NOTHING this extreme.
Nothing in her blood, urine fine. Ultrasound of bladder fine.

The next day, Monday, I took her to her normal vet. She thought it sounded like a seizure. Dorrie had a seizure when she was 6 months old after being spayed -- we thought a negative reaction to the anesthesia. (It happened in the vet's office. I never saw it. It was when she was in recovery. The vet said surgery was at 10 am, possible seizure at 2pm definite seizure at 4pm). Anyway, the vet thought what happened on Sunday sounded like a possible seizure. Then she told me to hold on, and went in the back. She talked to a co-vet about PDE. But came back, and said nothing to me. I asked her how to proceed, and she said just to watch her.

Needless to day, I have been a wreck. Every little thing she does has made me crazy. Like she always digs in my blankets to get comfortable, but this time when she did it I was convinced that she was pressing her head against something -- as PDE is described online. Last night she wouldn't stop licking her lips, and had foam in her mouth, but was not seizing or anything. She licks her lips a lot, but I was convinced this was something serious.
Please help me and tell me I'm being crazy. She is my best friend, and the kindest creature I have ever known. I love her more than anything. I am a student, but there is no amount I wouldn't pay to make sure she was okay. She is just so kind.

Please tell me I'm being crazy, and if not, where I should go to from here.
Sorry for rambling.

Thanks,
Rachel
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Post  northernwitch on 10/10/2012, 3:42 pm

It is possible this was a focal seizure, but hard to say. She also could just have had a whacky moment. It happens.

Don't jump to PDE or you WILL make yourself crazy worrying about it. If you are really concerned about seizures, then log onto one of the seizure dog forums:

http://www.canine-epilepsy.com/

http://www.canine-epilepsy-guardian-angels.com/CanineEpil.htm


http://www.canine-epilepsy.net/basics/basics_index.html
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Post  Pugsaunt on 10/10/2012, 7:23 pm

I second what Blanche said. It does sound a bit like a focal seizure. And no, you are not crazy. We pugparents do worry about our furkids. Welcome to PA, by the way. Dorrie is adorable!
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Post  LisaIzzyAggy on 10/11/2012, 12:07 pm

Hello and welcome. I have no advice but I will keep you and your Dorrie in my thoughts and prayers. I know how much my girls mean to me so I can imagine what Dorrie means to you. I hope it turns out to be nothing more than a fluke. Please keep us updated.
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Post  Aussie Witch on 10/12/2012, 1:55 am

Yes, totally agree, put PDE out of your mind right now, it will drive you crazy. I must say you sound like a great Pug mum having done all the right things to try and find answers with the vet. Can your finances stretch to a cat scan, it could run up to $2000, but that would be the definitive way to find out if there is anything or nothing going on in the brain. You could pay all that money and find nothing and get no answers, but it would rule out the worst causes. Have a word with your vet.

In the meantime keeping a diary and noting down all the behaviour that concerns you, when; how; length of time; conditions around and activity prior. That is an invaluable tool in working these things out.

At the end of the day it could work out to have no discernible cause and may not happen again. Not uncommon!

The very best wishes for you and your baby. Please let us know how you get on.
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Post  PugLady3 on 10/12/2012, 10:14 am

It's hard to tell since we don't know her & didn't see it happening, but it doesn't sound like a seizure to me at all. Dogs are much more sensitive to things going on in the environment then we are. Maybe she sensed that something was "off".
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Post  Snifter&Toddy on 10/12/2012, 1:13 pm

I've never seen a dog have a seizure. But when we had a lecture on pugs at the specialist vet a while back, they had a lecture on seizures. According to them they can present in all different kinds of ways. Sometimes it can be as mild as the dog seeming out of sorts or worried and seeking reassurance from the owner for no apparent reason. As such I most definitely would not rule out the possibility of it having been a seizure.
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Post  northernwitch on 10/12/2012, 2:04 pm

PugLady3 wrote:It's hard to tell since we don't know her & didn't see it happening, but it doesn't sound like a seizure to me at all. Dogs are much more sensitive to things going on in the environment then we are. Maybe she sensed that something was "off".
Brenda--focal seizures often present in this way. Not the shaking and vibrating or staring of grand or petit mal, but hyper anxiety, inability to settle, sudden darting movements.

The period right before a grand mal seizure, called the aura phase, is often typified by pacing, barking, seeking reassurance from owner, etc. Some dogs never go past the aura phase.

"The aura or prodrome is a
recognizable change in the pet's behavior that alerts the owner to an
impending seizure. Most commonly, the pet that has an aura will act
upset and anxious. He may seek attention from his owner or withdraw and
hide. This aura may represent a focal beginning of the seizure and
thus indicate a focal seizure, but we commonly see it in generalized
seizures as well."
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Post  PugLady3 on 10/12/2012, 5:14 pm

northernwitch wrote:The period right before a grand mal seizure, called the aura phase, is often typified by pacing, barking, seeking reassurance from owner, etc. Some dogs never go past the aura phase.

Hmm, I've had several pugs who've had both petit and grand mal seizures (our foster Zoe still has the latter on a regular basis) and I've never seen the aura phase. Ya learn something new everyday, especially when it comes to pugs!
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Post  northernwitch on 10/12/2012, 7:42 pm

PugLady3 wrote:
northernwitch wrote:The period right before a grand mal seizure, called the aura phase, is often typified by pacing, barking, seeking reassurance from owner, etc. Some dogs never go past the aura phase.

Hmm, I've had several pugs who've had both petit and grand mal seizures (our foster Zoe still has the latter on a regular basis) and I've never seen the aura phase. Ya learn something new everyday, especially when it comes to pugs!
Ain't it the truth. I tell all my new fosters that my brain is full and to please not teach me anything new......
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Post  Pugsavers on 10/12/2012, 8:43 pm

First of all, welcome to PA

When we have had pugs with seizure disorders, the vet school here has asked that we videotape the episodes. That way they can look for specific things that we might not notice. If it happens again, I would try to tape it if you can.
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