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Post  TxAllieGrl on 2/17/2011, 11:09 am

Steve called me on Tuesday and said that Angel seemed a bit "off" to him. Since I was out of town, there wasn't anything I could see or do until I got back.

My best guess is she may have had a stroke- but I don't know how to verify that, or what else it could be.

She's still getting around, but now has a pronounced head tilt, and is circling a bit in the direction of the tilt. She gave me tons of kisses last night when I came home, and she's still eating fine (and eliminating).

Anyone know anything about strokes in dogs? Or what else might cause the head tilt in a geriatric blind/deaf dog?

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Post  Saira on 2/17/2011, 11:11 am

Oh poor Angel. I'm sorry, Allie. I've heard a few people who had pugs with vestibular syndrome (?) that can cause a headtilt-I think Uncle Cecil just went through it.

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Post  Amber on 2/17/2011, 11:12 am

I have no advice, just wanted to say I'm sorry and will be sending lots of good thoughts Angel's way!
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Post  MandyPug on 2/17/2011, 11:20 am

Could you get her to a Neurologist? I know A&M is a good distance from Fort Worth, but maybe there's a neuro specialist nearer to you.
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Post  Erin on 2/17/2011, 11:23 am

I can offer not advice, just my well wishes and hoping everything is okay with Angel !
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Post  northernwitch on 2/17/2011, 11:32 am

Possible it was a stroke although most often with strokes you see mobility issues--often on only one side, facial sagging, etc. Could very well be vestibular.
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Post  TxAllieGrl on 2/17/2011, 11:34 am

Saira wrote:Oh poor Angel. I'm sorry, Allie. I've heard a few people who had pugs with vestibular syndrome (?) that can cause a headtilt-I think Uncle Cecil just went through it.


Thanks Saira - I'm doing some research on that. It indicated that the dizziness usually causes nausea, and a disinterest in food. Since she's still eating and drinking easily and on her own, I'm not sure that's what it is.

Here's something I did find:
[color:dbc6=blue !important][color:dbc6=blue !important]Veterinary [color:dbc6=blue !important]care should include diagnostic tests and subsequent treatment recommendations. Other disorders that result in signs similar to vestibular disease include:


  • Inner ear infections
  • Thiamine deficiency
  • Head [color:dbc6=blue !important][color:dbc6=blue !important]trauma
  • Metronidazole (antibiotic) toxicity
  • Middle ear polyps
  • Middle ear cancer


  • Uhm, Angel has been on metronidazole for a long time. That or cancer are both potential culprets. Will call the vet.

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    Post  Tyson&LuLu'sMom on 2/17/2011, 11:44 am

    No advice, just hugs and good wishes for Angel. hug dog
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    Post  northernwitch on 2/17/2011, 11:46 am

    All of those are possibilities, but she's the right age for vestibular. And I know a ton of vestibular dogs that never showed the nausea or anorexia--just the head tilt and the tendency to circle.

    Hope it's nothing big.
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    Post  TxAllieGrl on 2/17/2011, 12:00 pm

    northernwitch wrote:All of those are possibilities, but she's the right age for vestibular. And I know a ton of vestibular dogs that never showed the nausea or anorexia--just the head tilt and the tendency to circle.

    Hope it's nothing big.

    thanks Blanche! I appreciate all of your knowledge sharing. I've got a call into my vet, and can take her in later today or tomorrow if need be. But will start with him and take it one step at a time.

    I think my own state about where she is (end of life stage) is making me worry about everything - when will I know it's time, is she suffering, is she happy - all of those things just ramp up my worry-meter.

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    Post  northernwitch on 2/17/2011, 12:09 pm

    TxAllieGrl wrote:
    northernwitch wrote:All of those are possibilities, but she's the right age for vestibular. And I know a ton of vestibular dogs that never showed the nausea or anorexia--just the head tilt and the tendency to circle.

    Hope it's nothing big.

    thanks Blanche! I appreciate all of your knowledge sharing. I've got a call into my vet, and can take her in later today or tomorrow if need be. But will start with him and take it one step at a time.

    I think my own state about where she is (end of life stage) is making me worry about everything - when will I know it's time, is she suffering, is she happy - all of those things just ramp up my worry-meter.
    Fair enough. The metronidazole toxicity DOES look like a possibility although what I've read says it's a bit rare.

    It's hard when they are elderly. I always end up thinking the same questions you are. What's fair to the dog, what makes sense, etc.
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    Post  viralmd on 2/17/2011, 12:19 pm

    I really doubt this is from Flagyl (metronidazole). BUT it could be a brainstem stroke or a vestibular problem. Only a neurologic exam will really distinguish between these, as both can present with head tilt, nystagmus, etc.

    Hope she's doing better soon.

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    Post  TxAllieGrl on 2/17/2011, 12:42 pm

    viralmd wrote:I really doubt this is from Flagyl (metronidazole). BUT it could be a brainstem stroke or a vestibular problem. Only a neurologic exam will really distinguish between these, as both can present with head tilt, nystagmus, etc.

    Hope she's doing better soon.

    thanks Alice!!! (and it's good to see you pop over here...don't be such a stranger)

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    Post  Mel on 2/17/2011, 12:48 pm

    oh no! sending you well wishes along with T's and P's. oh, and hugs! Hug Please let us know what the vet says.
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    Post  PugLady3 on 2/17/2011, 1:03 pm

    northernwitch wrote:All of those are possibilities, but she's the right age for vestibular. And I know a ton of vestibular dogs that never showed the nausea or anorexia--just the head tilt and the tendency to circle.

    Hope it's nothing big.

    Buster's got a permanent head tilt due to vestibular problems - he never had the nausea or anorexia, though. He hasn't had a full blown episode in awhile (thank Dawg! that boy has enough problems!) but when he did, he would circle & have nystagmus for awhile. I hope that Angel is feeling better soon & you get some answers from the vet visit. hug dog
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    Post  Amanda on 2/17/2011, 1:11 pm

    Hugs to you and Angel. I think you've gotten some great info so far. Nell gets the head tilt thing when she has an ear infection but sounds like there's more going on than that. Let us know what the vet says!

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    Post  MommaJones on 2/17/2011, 1:11 pm

    I'm hoping for a simple ear infection that clears up quickly. Poor Angel. Big hugs to you both. I'll be thinking good thoughts for your sweet girl. Please give her a lovin' from me.
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    Post  sallyandtilly on 2/17/2011, 1:47 pm

    Sending good wishes.
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    Post  LisaIzzyAggy on 2/17/2011, 1:50 pm

    You and Angel are in my thoughts and prayers Allie. I hope it turns out to be nothing serious. Please keep us posted.
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    Post  Renee on 2/17/2011, 2:06 pm

    Allie, I think a visit or phone call with the vet is a good start.

    The only experience I have with neuro problems are a brain tumor.

    My thoughts are with you and Angel.
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    Post  TxAllieGrl on 2/17/2011, 2:23 pm

    I talked with my vet, and he confirmed what's been said here. His first thought is the vestibular syndrome, followed by the possibility of an inner ear infection. Less likely would be the toxicity or a tumor in her inner ear (but both are possible).

    He said he's seen one case of the toxicity before, and we looked up the dosage, potential side effects, etc. We've decided to take her off of it for a few days as a precaution. She's on a mid-level dosage, but has been taking it for quite a long time.

    We also decided to treat like an inner ear infection, to see if there's any change there.

    Those are the least invasive options.

    I'll talk with him again next week and see how she's doing.

    thanks again for all of your good thoughts for my old gal, and all of your information!!

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    Post  Miss Pugg on 2/17/2011, 2:29 pm

    Lulu staggered out of her crate one morning, I thought she had had a stroke. Raced her to the ER 30 miles away & they diagnosed Vestibular Syndrome. I don't remember the medicine they used for her but she improved a great deal altho she always had the head tilt and couldn't eat out of a regular dog food dish. She was 13 when she had it, along with CHF, and lived to be over 17. It is not a death sentence. At that time, I had never heard of VS but the head tilt is a good way to recognize it, along with a vet visit.
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    Post  Guest on 2/17/2011, 2:31 pm

    Hope she will be feeling better now that you know what it is.

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    Post  SacramentoPugs on 2/17/2011, 2:52 pm

    I love this forum -- I learn so much!

    Best wishes to you and to Angel.
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    Post  GracieNEmma on 2/17/2011, 4:01 pm

    I hope the change in meds works for her. Poor thing, give her some hugs for me please! My guess was an inner ear infection or something that was causing her equilibrium to be thrown off. Keep us updated!
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